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Post by Zac~Azrilyan on Mar 17, 2015 17:59:13 GMT -7
Let's see if I remember this right... you see I was a staff member to a "real vampire" social network a few years ago, aptly titled vampspace.com. The owner has a very... tight grip on his reality and banned people who didn't fit in with it labeling them posers before getting a chance to defend themselves. His paranoia, eagerness to ban, and always right attitude slowly killed the site. vHERV is what he called the virus that caused physical vampirism, and labeled everything else as poser. The virus is said to be simular to HIV in that it mutates every cell in your body changing your DNA, and thus transfers the virus through blood. Also he says the virus dates back to the first cases of the black plague. Umm.. you don't get fangs, eyes slightly change color, children have a 50% chance of getting the virus if one parent has it, increased physical and mental/spiritual capacity, oh and increase of iron tolerance up to 800% through he recommended not going over 500%. There is some other minor stuff too. He makes a really good argument on the one website of his that still is up, www.vampirewebsite.net (doesn't have the most creativity does he?). So all in all I believe I have this virus, I either got it from my dad (no idea where he could have gotten it from) or I got it from one of my early games of blood brothers (or I gave it to that friend). I have "turned" another of my friends so I'm completely sure I have something. I also know I can consume 300% the rda without any ill effects. So if you want to do the research on the purely physical theory of vampirism that site is the goldmine. I'll repost it so it's easy to find. www.vampirewebsite.net |
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Post by Michelle on Aug 6, 2015 7:23:21 GMT -7
Zac, so how did u consume 300%? Where did u get the iron? I disagree with any social effects that go with a virus bcz everyone will react differently to any given situation. Btw are there any physical visual effects not listed that u know of?
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Post by David on Aug 6, 2015 9:12:03 GMT -7
"The owner has a very... tight grip on 'his reality' and banned people who didn't fit in with it labeling them posers before getting a chance to defend themselves. His paranoia, eagerness to ban, and always right attitude slowly killed the site."
Stephen....... yeah I remember him. Claimed he was a doctor but personally I think he self medicated.
Never met someone so paranoid and downright schizophrenic that wasn't drugged out of their mind.
He had a craving for control but then got pissed when nobody respected him. Yeah I remember.
At least his theory on vHERV was sound.
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Post by Xypher on Aug 6, 2015 12:13:40 GMT -7
I would like to mention that vHERV does not exist. There is nothing in the CDC that indicates vHERV as an applicable disease. Not only that, but humans have mapped the human genome fully at this point. If something like this existed, we would have known about it by now. If it has been around as long as it has been claimed to be around, we would have known about it by know. It would be a common thing to be checked for. "Awe shit, I need to go in for my vHERV check up" and all this kind of stuff. There would be social services revolved around helping people who have a need to drink blood do such without having to find a "Host" so to speak, especially if there are any negative effects.
HIV is a virus, and look at how fast it has spread - virtually everyone knows someone with the affliction. According to the "vampire websites" there are "thousands" of vampires running around. If that was so then at least one of them has ended up in a hospital for bloodwork, had a bloodborne infection, was injured in a car wreck, etc, etc, ad nauseum. The anomaly would have been detected and medical science would have isolated it, studied it, applied for research grants on it, published papers on it, and turned it into the talk of the medical and scientific community, as well as making its "discoverers" celebrities and rich beyond their dreams. A virus cannot alter your DNA in such a radical fashion without killing you.
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Post by Zac~Azrilyan on Aug 6, 2015 17:43:08 GMT -7
Haha wow.. This is some old stuff we are delving into here. Alright, lets see... Zac, so how did u consume 300%? Where did u get the iron? I disagree with any social effects that go with a virus bcz everyone will react differently to any given situation. Btw are there any physical visual effects not listed that u know of? Well, if all my information is correct then one fluid ounce of blood is roughly 24mg of iron. That's 3 times the RDA. I think we can all assume where that iron came from. Not sure about any other physical "symptoms". I would like to mention that vHERV does not exist. There is nothing in the CDC that indicates vHERV as an applicable disease. Not only that, but humans have mapped the human genome fully at this point. If something like this existed, we would have known about it by now. If it has been around as long as it has been claimed to be around, we would have known about it by know. It would be a common thing to be checked for. "Awe shit, I need to go in for my vHERV check up" and all this kind of stuff. There would be social services revolved around helping people who have a need to drink blood do such without having to find a "Host" so to speak, especially if there are any negative effects. HIV is a virus, and look at how fast it has spread - virtually everyone knows someone with the affliction. According to the "vampire websites" there are "thousands" of vampires running around. If that was so then at least one of them has ended up in a hospital for bloodwork, had a bloodborne infection, was injured in a car wreck, etc, etc, ad nauseum. The anomaly would have been detected and medical science would have isolated it, studied it, applied for research grants on it, published papers on it, and turned it into the talk of the medical and scientific community, as well as making its "discoverers" celebrities and rich beyond their dreams. A virus cannot alter your DNA in such a radical fashion without killing you. Really.. I don't know. I didn't do a lot of research at the time all this was happening and didn't care to. I mean, I said I "turned" someone, which did happen. But im not in contact with them any more, so did a virus, if it is such a thing, take? Could the changes he experienced have been placebo? I cant answer those questions. What I do know is I have an issue, never cared to get tested because I had the answer. I should probably go out of my way to get tested for iron deficiency though. I also was never "turned" and from what my Dad says about his youth, I think that I got whatever these genes are from him. on several occasions I have eaten meat rare enough that others got sick, but I felt better. And I know that since I have indulged, nothing tastes as good. It took me a long time to push myself away from that stuff, weather I would be healthier or not, no matter how bad cravings get, its no longer something I take part in. Just the same as another drug on the street. |
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Post by Xypher on Aug 7, 2015 0:51:06 GMT -7
Haha wow.. This is some old stuff we are delving into here. Alright, lets see... Zac, so how did u consume 300%? Where did u get the iron? I disagree with any social effects that go with a virus bcz everyone will react differently to any given situation. Btw are there any physical visual effects not listed that u know of? Well, if all my information is correct then one fluid ounce of blood is roughly 24mg of iron. That's 3 times the RDA. I think we can all assume where that iron came from. Not sure about any other physical "symptoms". I would like to mention that vHERV does not exist. There is nothing in the CDC that indicates vHERV as an applicable disease. Not only that, but humans have mapped the human genome fully at this point. If something like this existed, we would have known about it by now. If it has been around as long as it has been claimed to be around, we would have known about it by know. It would be a common thing to be checked for. "Awe shit, I need to go in for my vHERV check up" and all this kind of stuff. There would be social services revolved around helping people who have a need to drink blood do such without having to find a "Host" so to speak, especially if there are any negative effects. HIV is a virus, and look at how fast it has spread - virtually everyone knows someone with the affliction. According to the "vampire websites" there are "thousands" of vampires running around. If that was so then at least one of them has ended up in a hospital for bloodwork, had a bloodborne infection, was injured in a car wreck, etc, etc, ad nauseum. The anomaly would have been detected and medical science would have isolated it, studied it, applied for research grants on it, published papers on it, and turned it into the talk of the medical and scientific community, as well as making its "discoverers" celebrities and rich beyond their dreams. A virus cannot alter your DNA in such a radical fashion without killing you. Really.. I don't know. I didn't do a lot of research at the time all this was happening and didn't care to. I mean, I said I "turned" someone, which did happen. But im not in contact with them any more, so did a virus, if it is such a thing, take? Could the changes he experienced have been placebo? I cant answer those questions. What I do know is I have an issue, never cared to get tested because I had the answer. I should probably go out of my way to get tested for iron deficiency though. I also was never "turned" and from what my Dad says about his youth, I think that I got whatever these genes are from him. on several occasions I have eaten meat rare enough that others got sick, but I felt better. And I know that since I have indulged, nothing tastes as good. It took me a long time to push myself away from that stuff, weather I would be healthier or not, no matter how bad cravings get, its no longer something I take part in. Just the same as another drug on the street. As I said on the skype, this had nothing to do with you specifically. Do I think you should try and get tested for something if you feel something is wrong? Yes, absolutely. In the case however, this could fall under what is called the Nocebo effect. Essentially the opposite of the placebo effect. If you believe something caused a negative change in your body then your brain can actually make that happen. It is actually considered one of the leading causes of Asthma, BiPolarism, Schizophrenia, and countless other afflictions these days. One of my favorite being Windfarm Sickness ((A sickness caused by windfarms -.-)) As I believe I understand, you have a difficult time taking in iron. This can be caused by a lot of things. Diet, CAN help with that, however that is dependant on your current diet, and dietary restrictions. Drinking blood on the other hand can be totally unrelated, and simply be a coincidental thing that correlates. This is point A point B logic. Almost every human on the planet is born to think in this way. Example suiting you is "I have a problem taking in iron, and I feel a need/addiction/whatever it may be to drink blood. This must be connected somehow" Do try to remember that all mammal blood is essentially the same. You can drink cow, pig, goat, duck, dog, cat, what have you's blood and still get a similar thing. Does this necessarily mean you are a vampire? No. Can it? Who knows, but with how medical science is looking not likely. You like drinking blood? Do it filly! So long as it is always done in a safe consensual way. Do I suggest sinking your teeth into someones neck? No. Setting aside the horrifying infections that a human bite can cause, our teeth are not near sharp enough to break the skin cleanly, and would result in the "victim" bleeding rather badly, them having a nasty scar and a trip to the hospital. I personally believe that vampirism is a mindset, not a physical thing. You are you, nothing else. As many know, I am a person of knowledge. I will listen to accounts, and I will record them as I always have. I try to take a very devils advocate stance on situations like this though, because this can in fact cause problems. Bringing up the nocebo effect again, it is something that can actually cause pandemics. It can cause a mass medical emergencies in all the worst possible ways, because while the symptoms are VERY real the cause is not. Do I blame you? Not a chance. This person wrote a brilliant piece, that was written in a believable fashion. IT is unfortunately false, and I do not like how he is so adamant on publicising and advertising a non existent disease. I once believed Dragons were real, physical things because of a documentary called "Dragons, a Fantasy made Real". It really burst my bubble when the next show on TV was essentially the same show, but explaining that it was all fiction, and a documentary made for fun. Now, I understand that this may be a serious downer on you Zac, and anyone else reading this. Vampires are cool, no matter what. Not so fond of the carnivorous fairies though. Do I think it would be pretty awesome to be a vampire? Yea. If I had the choice to be one would I take it? Maybe. Is this disease legitimate... No. I really hate the idea of being that one guy on a site that worships mythologies, believes in magic, and so forth to say "Yea sorry... No..." but it is needed to a degree. Science cannot and will not have all the answers. There are just things that it cannot prove, and you must believe in yourself. You cannot believe everything though, and there needs to be a reality filter on some things, especially when it deals in sickness and diseases. TL'DR: I'm being a dick, but I feel that a dick is sometimes needed. I apologize if I offend anyone. |
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Post by Michelle on Aug 7, 2015 4:43:01 GMT -7
I see.. Tyvm i learn a lot from ur post. Hmm so is it possible to control ur own placebo to gain the benifets and weed out the negatives? (Necobo?)
like u let it "infect" to follow with a placebo cure that fixes the bad leaving the good.
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Post by David on Aug 7, 2015 7:21:30 GMT -7
This could fall under what is called the Nocebo effect. Essentially the opposite of the placebo effect. If you believe something caused a negative change in your body then your brain can actually make that happen. It is actually considered one of the leading causes of Asthma, BiPolarism, Schizophrenia, and countless other afflictions these days. Citation please. Otherwise I am going to have to call BS on your absurd statement of mental illness being caused by negative thoughts. Even more absurd to claim its one of the "leading causes". |
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Post by Xypher on Aug 7, 2015 18:57:05 GMT -7
This could fall under what is called the Nocebo effect. Essentially the opposite of the placebo effect. If you believe something caused a negative change in your body then your brain can actually make that happen. It is actually considered one of the leading causes of Asthma, BiPolarism, Schizophrenia, and countless other afflictions these days. Citation please. Otherwise I am going to have to call BS on your absurd statement of mental illness being caused by negative thoughts. Even more absurd to claim its one of the "leading causes". I learned about it in school, but it is a simple matter of "Fake it till you make it" In fact, I was living with a gentleman who did this to "cure" himself of his psychopathy. Remember, the brain is a magical thing. Honestly, I thought you would have a harder time thinking the brain could cause physical problems over mental problems. As I said once before, you are you David. That applies to everyone on this planet. People can believe they have a mental problem, and actually develop that mental problem. In this day and age, everyone needs to have some kind of mental problem to get anywhere in life. Hell, I was told I would get an extra 150k on my business grant if I could prove myself or my girlfriend had a mental disability. Also, you call bullshit on that, and not Windfarm sickness? The Sickness cause by living too close to a WIND farm? |
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Post by David on Aug 7, 2015 23:33:43 GMT -7
Citation please. Otherwise I am going to have to call BS on your absurd statement of mental illness being caused by negative thoughts. Even more absurd to claim its one of the "leading causes". Also, you call bullshit on that, and not Windfarm sickness? The Sickness cause by living too close to a WIND farm? I left that part out in quoting you. The only thing I can see causing sickness by being next to a wind farm is motion sickness from the blades. Maybe. |
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Post by Zac~Azrilyan on Aug 8, 2015 21:07:47 GMT -7
Like I said before. I moved away from the whole thing. Real or not, It's made me a stronger person. It's like a tree and Gravity, what is constently pulling the tree down is one of the things causing it to grow upwards, against the force. I don't feel bad or attacked, like you said You and You. for David.  www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110226212356.htm |
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Post by Michelle on Aug 10, 2015 16:15:18 GMT -7
Question: if symptoms last longer then six months does that means its not in ur mind . Or is it that as long as u see it that way u feel it.
So could u not try the above comment to infect urself with a placebo cure and be "normal again"?
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Post by Xypher on Oct 14, 2015 18:41:52 GMT -7
Question: if symptoms last longer then six months does that means its not in ur mind . Or is it that as long as u see it that way u feel it. So could u not try the above comment to infect urself with a placebo cure and be "normal again"? I didn't catch this. Sorry about that Auni. But you are correct. So long as you believe something is wrong with you, you will suffer the symptoms. It will eventually get to the point where you will have to see a doctor, because the imagination will become real. This is with true Nocebo at least. It does not affect everyone. Same as how Placebo doesn't affect everyone. |
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Post by Michelle on Nov 3, 2015 18:03:12 GMT -7
Well thats rather strange.. I can agree with being effected as long as u believe in it ,but if u stop i think it will vanish. Lastly i dont think it will need a doctor just the longer it goes the more set in it is. So in effect most could only break it using a doctor but u dont need one.
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